Minstrelsy in Children’s Books today?

What are Nel’s arguments? Do you agree with him? Are there counter arguments?

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19 responses to “Minstrelsy today?”

  1. Sofia Buttaro Avatar
    Sofia Buttaro

    In this speech, Philip Nel makes the case that, despite their popularity, classic children’s books frequently feature racist themes and tropes. He cites works such as The Cat in the Hat, which drew inspiration from racial stereotypes, and implies that these tales are not as harmless as they first appear. Nel claims that by instilling negative prejudices in kids’ heads at an early age, this kind of reading quietly perpetuates institutional racism. In addition to urging authors, educators, and parents to employ inclusive literature that supports a plurality of perspectives and experiences, he urges readers to be conscious of these biases. Some counterarguments exist, such as the idea that literature ought to be viewed in light of their historical setting. Some contend that using these books as teaching tools to talk about societal shifts in attitudes toward diversity and race may be more advantageous than categorizing them as destructive. Instead of banning or rejecting historical works completely, this viewpoint encourages us to embrace history while learning from them.

  2. Victoria Lucenti Avatar
    Victoria Lucenti

    Nel argues the hidden messages of race within children’s books, but specifically within Dr. Seuss books, such as the Cat in the Hat. Nel mentions how Dr. Seuss’s work is both racist and opposes racism, but has intertwined with one another within the same decade, and has revised 19th and 20th century stereotypes. Nel also mentions how racism has snuck into children’s literature culture, but masked with innocence. Nel continues his discussion with examples upon popularly known books, and focuses on his claim of how racial stereotypes and racial ideologies play a crucial role towards how young audiences perceive these stereotypes of implicit and explicit forms of racism. Some counter arguments would suggest how Dr. Seuss’s work has reflected on the historical context of cultural norms during this time period, rather than intentional racism. Nel had also mentioned how Dr. Seuss tried to integrate opposing racism throughout his series of illustrated books as well and were not created to reinforce negative stereotypes.

  3. Amy Khait Avatar
    Amy Khait

    Nel argues that there are hidden messages of race within popular children’s books. Nel discusses how racism manages to somehow sneak into children’s literature but is masked with innocence. Nel continues on talking about examples from popular books. He concentrates on how racial stereotypes and ideologies play a significant role towards how children and young audiences perceive stereotypes. This also affects how how children interpret racism. A counter argument could be that some of these books have reflected the cultural and societal norms during this time period. Also, these books could help us learn about history and help to shift attitudes toward diversity and race.

  4. VANESSA Avatar
    VANESSA

    Nel presents his argument about the hidden messages that are in children’s literature. The Cat and The Hat, Marry Poppins, Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, and many more of children’s literature have been rewritten to remove any racial remarks by changing their characters or words to clean up any racial remarks initially made. Nel does present some counter arguments such as introducing children to the original literature which he believes will have some benefits. Talking about racism can inform children about what racism is and how to deal with it. using the literature to direct anger to those readers who racisms are targets. Children can be left with anger and not know how to articulate that anger and children’s literature can help understand what they’ve experienced.

  5. Mahnoor Avatar
    Mahnoor

    Neil argues that despite being a children’s book and having gained so much popularity over the years, many kids books are intertwined with so much racist and harmful rhetoric. While kids may not directly see it, these stereotypes put images into their heads and change their mindset into believing things about groups of people that may not be true. Having these hateful thoughts from a young age gets ingrained in them, and as they get older, it creates institutionalized racism. Many Dr. Suees books have underlying messages and take inspiration from racial stereotypes, so when dug deeper into it, it is easy to realize that these may not be the best books for kids. A counterargument he makes to getting rid of books like such is that they are a pivotal way for us to see how things have changed. We can look back and learn why books as such are harmful and why they may not be suitable for kids as our thinking has progressed. 

  6. Nitzan Naim Avatar
    Nitzan Naim

    As my classmates said before me, the argument made is that racism sneaks into children’s literature. Children are innocent and won’t identify a book as harmful, but this eventually creates institutionalized racism that is passed on through generations.

    I agree with him, and I especially liked when he talked about how it is necessary to have this point of view because if we don’t, the racism of the past will continue to influence the present, and we cannot excuse the racism of the past. It is our job as future educators (and honestly just as human beings) to always keep a critical lens and stay alert to ongoing injustice in the world to make sure we do not pass on any biases to future generations.

    1. Ariana Loyfman Avatar
      Ariana Loyfman

      I think the point that you brought up is very interesting – “Children are innocent and won’t identify a book as harmful”. As adults, we can now identify what inappropriate or cruel language and messages are placed behind children’s literature and even films made for children. As children view the world through an innocent lens and point of view, they are not noticing the same things that adults can. We have to make sure that we are protecting our children from the racist language and the injustice that is often seen in not only children’s stories, but also in the world around us.

    2. Anifat Abumislimova Avatar
      Anifat Abumislimova

      I agree with you that children are innocent and can not see harmful things in the books, but it can shape their views and thinking. As future teachers and just people in general, we have to teach in a fair way and protect children from racism.

  7. Selina Chen Avatar
    Selina Chen

    Philip Nel argues that some classic children’s books, like Dr. Seuss’s The Cat in the Hat, include hidden racist elements, such as blackface, which reflect and reinforce societal biases. He believes these books can spread racial stereotypes and calls for more diverse and inclusive children’s stories. While many people agree with Nel’s view, others argue that judging older books by today’s standards ignores the time period in which they were written. They suggest these books can be used to teach about past attitudes. Nel’s ideas raise an important debate about whether we should change how we view classic stories or keep them as they are to reflect history.

  8. Brittany Giler Avatar
    Brittany Giler

    Phil Nel argues that many classic children’s books contain subtle and racist messages. He believes that these books can shape children’s perceptions of race and contribute to racial biases.

  9. ashley dai Avatar
    ashley dai

    My favorite point of Nel’s is that genres are another way to limit exposure to stories where white people are not at the forefront. Genres become a form of Othering and a subtle way to continue segregation. I could be misinterpreting and projecting– but the last question from the audience seemed to be a bit of a ‘gotcha!’ moment in which Nel’s research could be voided as it was more telling of what adults thought of children’s literature. I find this question to not hold much merit beyond the surface of ‘the subject of analysis’. It seems foolish to expect that a child would have the words to describe concepts as they are being introduced to them?

  10. Tory Sen Avatar
    Tory Sen

    Nel discusses the racial messages that are hidden in children’s books, especially books by Dr. Seuss like “The Cat in the Hat.” He says that these books are racist and against racism, but that the racist parts have been taken out during the rewrites. Nel also discusses counterarguments contending that Dr. Seuss’s work reflects historical cultural standards and features discriminatory views against them. Reading original novels to children, he claims, will help them grow and handle bigotry. Children’s literature, he also believes, can be used to help kids communicate about their emotions and direct resentment toward racism’s targets.

  11. Kaylee Pontone Avatar
    Kaylee Pontone

    Nel’s argument that older books have hidden racist images and messages can be countered by the argument that this was just a result of the time and history — For me I never like when people argue this counter because regardless it is still a story being consumed and a kid doesn’t understand the historical context like us. Children should never be shown stories that are blatantly racist and if there is an obvious hidden message a parent is responsible for correcting it to the kid.

    1. Michelle Cortes Rodriguez Avatar
      Michelle Cortes Rodriguez

      I agree older books do have hidden racism.

  12. Alexa Mendez Avatar
    Alexa Mendez

    Nel’s argument is that children’s books have hidden messages of racism and that they’re just covered as innocence. Nel’s arguement on Dr Suess stories is that they show societal standards and views of racism. He believes that this isn’t the way children books should depict their literature to children that they should be changed.

  13. Emma Avatar
    Emma

    Children are presented with books and stories not realizing that it actually can shape their minds and have them think negativly about others. Many older books have hidden racism and negative connotations of certain communities that would normally go over a childs head. The innocence of a child would not detect this as racism however it is opening them up to a new and negative perspective which they may adapt too as they begin to think for themselves.

  14. Amna Syeda Avatar
    Amna Syeda

    Philip Nel argues that The Cat in the Hat reflects racial stereotypes influenced by blackface minstrelsy and broader racial attitudes of its time. While some view these connections as unintentional, Nel highlights how even Seuss’s work reflects cultural biases despite his later anti-racist messages.

  15. Jaylyn Calles Avatar
    Jaylyn Calles

    What are Nel’s arguments? Do you agree with him? Are there counter arguments?
    Nels argument is racial biases are being portrayed into the literacy of children. Many stories have hidden discriminatory messages inside of them that were never spoken about during that time or brought to the attention. Counter argument would be racism is taught and children won’t initially interpret a story in that way.

  16. Naurah Romulus Avatar
    Naurah Romulus

    Nel’s argument is that the character can be interpreted as a metaphor for Blackness and that there are subtle hints of racism within his books. He says that the Cat’s rebellious and unpredictable nature mirrors the stereotype of Black figures in the 1950s. I will be honest and say that as I read the book, even as an adult, I didn’t really pick up on anything racist. Still, I agree with Nel’s argument to some extent because I know that children’s literature often reflects societal attitudes at the time. However, as the news of Dr. Seuss being a racist author came out, I, of course, heard some counterarguments that Dr. Seuss intended the character to be more of a playful figure, not necessarily a racial symbol, and that projecting racial identity onto him might be too far-reaching. I am a little conflicted on this since I have my bias with Dr. Seuss as I love his books but I can also believe that portraying a Black person within the Cat can be a real thing he was doing.

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